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[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:25 PM] <msalzberg> ok great MrZYX is here so now we can start
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:30 PM] <grippi> wowzers look at all of these people
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:32 PM] <MrZYX> lol, hi
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:41 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:52 PM] <msalzberg> so here is the rough agenda, to give you all an idea
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:56 PM] <DenSchub> Hi MrZYX 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:05:57 PM] <msalzberg> and we can dive into them one at a time
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:04 PM] <msalzberg> Agenda:
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:19 PM] <dns|CostaRica> get you comfortable.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:22 PM] <dns|CostaRica> move in for the kill.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <pawan> Excited
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <msalzberg> 1. Bug Mash Monday! 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <msalzberg> 2. Redesign Pin => Follow
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <msalzberg> 3. Federation testing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <msalzberg> 4. Things we need help with:
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:26 PM] <msalzberg> 5. Questions?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:32 PM] <msalzberg> copa?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:38 PM] <msalzberg> k!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:41 PM] <dns|CostaRica> CAPYPASTA!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:45 PM] <msalzberg> 1. Bug mash monday!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:06:53 PM] <msalzberg> looks like the second week
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:04 PM] <msalzberg> turned into a double week!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:09 PM] <msalzberg> DeadSuperHero: who is all here
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:12 PM] <msalzberg> and would the bug mashers please stand up
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:16 PM] <stwf_> its hard to get a fix a done and specced in just a week!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:23 PM] <msalzberg> i see raven24 stwf_ and diasp 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:27 PM] * str4ngerZ iz here
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:28 PM] <stwf_> if you don't know the code at all...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:34 PM] <msalzberg> understood
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:38 PM] <msalzberg> do you think he bugs are too big
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:46 PM] <msalzberg> our hints are not helpful enough?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:07:57 PM] <msalzberg> id love any feedback you have to make your life easier
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:06 PM] <stwf_> nope just that a week may not be enough
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:11 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:17 PM] <msalzberg> if they spill over, I am ok with that
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:21 PM] <msalzberg> :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:40 PM] <msalzberg> I guess maybe more of the point would be to get a semi constant stream of things that were easy to pick off
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:53 PM] <DeadSuperHero> I think part of the problem has been writing tests, it kind of slowed a lot of people down, especially because the newcomers may not have documentation resources they need.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:08:59 PM] <raven24> I think if you understood RoR, then there should be no huge problems with getting bugs solved
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:10 PM] <msalzberg> yeah, tests are REALLY important
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:11 PM] <stwf_> I have issues with the jasmine specs, like getting fixtures created
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:15 PM] <raven24> but the testing may be new to some people
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:15 PM] <msalzberg> with as many moving parts
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:16 PM] <dmorley> I would just throw out there that I wanted to grab a few, but would not have time till the end of week/weekend but did not want to hold things up by taking one i would work on 7 days later
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:30 PM] <msalzberg> dmorley: thats a good point
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:45 PM] <msalzberg> so about fixutres
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:53 PM] <dns|CostaRica> stwf_: we're actually trying to move away from jasmine fixtures
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:57 PM] <msalzberg> grippi what is the rake command to regenerate the controller fixtures
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:09:58 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:02 PM] <dns|CostaRica> in place of using jasmine factories in our backbone stuff
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:02 PM] <msalzberg> don't listen to me
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:11 PM] <sarahmei> msalzberg: Davis just released a sample rails app showing how he uses jasmine
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:12 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so our legacy tests rely on them
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:17 PM] <grippi> rake generate_fixtures
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:18 PM] <msalzberg> what about if it is on a dom fragment
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:20 PM] <stwf_> there is rake generate_fixtures
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:32 PM] <sarahmei> Miggt be helpful for folks new to jasmine testing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:36 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <dns|CostaRica> msalzberg: backbone views mean you don't need dom fragments
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <msalzberg> k
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <grippi> dns|CostaRica and i have been creating js factories around our backbones models
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <msalzberg> right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:48 PM] <sarahmei> Brcause our jasmine setup is a little crazy
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:56 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're testing most of our backbone views detached from the dome
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:10:59 PM] <msalzberg> so lets get davis' thing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:02 PM] <msalzberg> and send it out the list
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:06 PM] <dns|CostaRica> dome things need to be attached for crazy event reasons
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:11 PM] <msalzberg> we can add it to resources to help people with jasmine
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:21 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but no need for controller tests to generate views in the hot newness.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:28 PM] <msalzberg> <3s it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:40 PM] <stwf_> some thing it seems like would just be better tested with cucmber, really run in a web page though, right?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:11:41 PM] <msalzberg> ok other than jasmine
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:04 PM] <dns|CostaRica> stwf_: you don't want to test EVERYTHING with cucumber, generally you want one or two happy path tests
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:05 PM] <msalzberg> stwf_: generally cukes are good for the happy path testing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:09 PM] <stwf_> I think the genreate_fixtures fails silently if you didn't set up the spec right, so its hard to debug
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:20 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we have a goal of getting the cukes to run in under 5minutes on a "normal computer"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:26 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if it takes more than that people don't run them.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:12:33 PM] <grippi> stwf_: try running rspec spec/controllers/jasmine_fixtures
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:04 PM] <dns|CostaRica> But the tests are hella important for bug mash monday
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:11 PM] <msalzberg> so i see we have some outstanding knowledge to share re:jasime
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:11 PM] <dns|CostaRica> cause if there aren't tests, the bugs will regress
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:19 PM] <stwf_> I agree test are important!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:20 PM] <msalzberg> but DeadSuperHero, what other things got fixed?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:26 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Tons of stuff actually.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> when dan and I did the backbone rewrite, we got all the tests to pass, and a bunch of features disappeared
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:35 PM] <raven24> I think there should be a testing 101 in the wiki, what is supposed to test what and how does one create new tests
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:35 PM] <msalzberg> stwf_: you make a great effort we appreciate it ++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:36 PM] <DeadSuperHero> 6 out of the 8 bugs already have pull requests
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:42 PM] <DeadSuperHero> 2 of which have already been merged.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:42 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so we had to decide "OK, those features never existed, lets move on"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:49 PM] <dns|CostaRica> no tests = not fixed :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:13:58 PM] <msalzberg> ok so it sounds like we need to look at pull requests :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:13 PM] <msalzberg> is anyone here with an outstanding pull request?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:15 PM] <grippi> i was looking at them yesterday
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:17 PM] <msalzberg> that wants to speak up
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:20 PM] <grippi> a bunch weren't tested
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:21 PM] <msalzberg> orly grippi 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:22 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:27 PM] <msalzberg> we should follow up
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:31 PM] <grippi> i did
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:14:45 PM] <stwf_> I noticed that while the javascript contacts-index does get loaded the object Diaspora.Pages.ContactsIndex no longer gets instantiated. This threw me off a bit.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:01 PM] <msalzberg> yeah the old pages system
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:06 PM] <stwf_> I have two awaiting jasmine stuff, but I've had some breakthroughs
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:07 PM] <msalzberg> i think it is broken
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:11 PM] <msalzberg> we have an outstanding chore
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:19 PM] <msalzberg> to re-implement them with the backbone stuff
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:30 PM] <grippi> pages never get instantiated anymore, i think
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:44 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I thought they did ....
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:46 PM] <stwf_> PArt of me wants to back off from big fixing untilthis redesign is done..
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:48 PM] <grippi> i'll have to look into it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:51 PM] <msalzberg> hey raven24 whats the status with fixing the photos pages
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:51 PM] <msalzberg> ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:15:52 PM] <sarahmei> That will make it much easier to understand if we can get rid of vestigial JavaScript patterns
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:16:05 PM] <grippi> yeah, those drive me up a wall
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:16:31 PM] <raven24> It is usable, but not all of the features are back and I would need feedback on the code
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:16:36 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:16:41 PM] <msalzberg> i will give you feedback today
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:16:51 PM] <msalzberg> :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:08 PM] <jaywink> Hey
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:09 PM] <msalzberg> DeadSuperHero: who else are we missing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:12 PM] <msalzberg> actually hold that thought
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:16 PM] <grippi> it would be great to rewrite broken bits of old js in backbone
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:24 PM] <msalzberg> so raven24 and stwf_, it would also be cool
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:29 PM] <msalzberg> if you get stuck or need feedback
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:32 PM] <msalzberg> to mail diaspora-dev
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:34 PM] <msalzberg> and ask for it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:45 PM] <msalzberg> that way when we respond, other people can also read our responses
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:47 PM] <msalzberg> and learn
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:17:59 PM] <msalzberg> its a bummer closed pull requests are hard to get to
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:05 PM] <raven24> Ok, I see ... I was under the impression that an open pull request would be enough to draw some attention ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:05 PM] <darkham> hi to you all
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:07 PM] <msalzberg> as i feel like lots of knowledge is lost
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:13 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: no it is
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:17 PM] <msalzberg> but sometimes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:22 PM] <stwf_> ok, will do.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:23 PM] <msalzberg> i don't know if its still WIP
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:26 PM] <msalzberg> or you are stuck
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:26 PM] <msalzberg> ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:43 PM] <raven24> sure, haven't thought about it from that angle
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:18:53 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:00 PM] <msalzberg> i guess even if its a comment thats like
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:08 PM] <msalzberg> "i think this is pull-able"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:15 PM] <msalzberg> that will solicit feedback from us
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:32 PM] <msalzberg> then we know to give you feedback
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:42 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:19:52 PM] <msalzberg> sorry DeadSuperHero, is there anyone else here?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:08 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Not all of the Bugmashers have shown up
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:16 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:20 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Rekado in particular was one of the people whose code got merged.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:31 PM] <DeadSuperHero> diasp.eu, too. :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:33 PM] <msalzberg> yeah rekado++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:47 PM] <msalzberg> well, anyone planning on doing the next bug mash, that is here?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:20:51 PM] <msalzberg> new blood? anyone?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:20 PM] <msalzberg> ok well we can keep working on it for next time
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:25 PM] <stwf_> I'm awa next week, hoping to get my bugs cleared. THen when I get backI'll happily take on some more...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:35 PM] <msalzberg> stwf_: sounds great
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:48 PM] <msalzberg> DeadSuperHero: do you think we will have another volley of bugs to release next monday?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:50 PM] <grippi> jeez, i can't even load github in this starbucks
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:50 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Go at whatever pace you find necessary, stwf_ 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:21:54 PM] <stwf_> I mean lear the current ones before I go away
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:10 PM] <DeadSuperHero> msalzberg, I already have a list written up. ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:10 PM] <msalzberg> DeadSuperHero++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:12 PM] <msalzberg> <3
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:17 PM] <DeadSuperHero> <333333333
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:17 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:17 PM] <msalzberg> so
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:22 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:22 PM] <msalzberg> any questions on BMM?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:24 PM] <msalzberg> help?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:24 PM] <dns|CostaRica> Bugmashers <3
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:29 PM] <dns|CostaRica> thanks for doing it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:34 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:34 PM] <msalzberg> rad
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> seems like we need a little more communication
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:36 PM] <necromancer> msalzberg: sorry i was away last week mostly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:47 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: no sweat, everyones got their own lives :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:49 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so I'm going to encourage mashers to ask us for help in diaspora-dev
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:52 PM] <msalzberg> ye
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:52 PM] <msalzberg> s
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:53 PM] <necromancer> msalzberg: what is the proper way of contributing a bug fix?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:59 PM] <msalzberg> a pull request
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:22:59 PM] <necromancer> feature branch + pull request?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:03 PM] <msalzberg> yessir
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:06 PM] <msalzberg> + tests :P
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:08 PM] <necromancer> cool beans
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:10 PM] <dns|CostaRica> claim a bug, right test, implement, merge :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:11 PM] <necromancer> obviously :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:20 PM] <dns|CostaRica> #protip to the mashers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:21 PM] <msalzberg> ok, bradical
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:24 PM] <necromancer> msalzberg: what's your opinion on cukes though...are they required?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:27 PM] <msalzberg> we should have a quick FAQ
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:28 PM] <grippi> it's easier to remember to test if you start with em first
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:30 PM] <grippi> exposing the bug
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:33 PM] <grippi> then making it green
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:37 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if you right the test first, and it's red, then you make it go green
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:45 PM] <dns|CostaRica> you know it tests it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:45 PM] <dns|CostaRica> ….
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:45 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: we are saying happy path cuke first
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:23:55 PM] <grippi> dns|CostaRica: JINX
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:06 PM] <msalzberg> lolz
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:07 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:10 PM] <dns|CostaRica> OH ME A COKE!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:18 PM] <dns|CostaRica> OWE*
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:19 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: i look forward to your bugfixesssss
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:21 PM] <dns|CostaRica> moving on...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:23 PM] <msalzberg> MOVING ON
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:26 PM] <msalzberg> JINX
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:31 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:31 PM] <msalzberg> sry
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:37 PM] <msalzberg> 2. Redesign Pin => Follow
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:44 PM] <grippi> stellar
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:44 PM] <dns|CostaRica> srsly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:49 PM] <msalzberg> so obviously, we made some design changes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:54 PM] <grippi> people got way confused with our changes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:57 PM] <msalzberg> we beta tested some verbiage
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:57 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:24:59 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I'm not stoked on follow, but might be convinced later.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:07 PM] <msalzberg> in terms of the word
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:20 PM] <msalzberg> but, the feature itself is solid
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:28 PM] <msalzberg> and now there are participations
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:34 PM] <msalzberg> which are separate than likes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:35 PM] <grippi> we wanted to make a system that allowed people to keep track of conversations easier
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:38 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I think that there will be more changes in verbiage, but at least we've demonstrated that we're not attached to our choices, and want to see what works and what doesn't :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:48 PM] <stwf_> personally I like'Pin', but I feel it is different than 'Like' and both are useful
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:25:50 PM] <grippi> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:10 PM] <grippi> we've been listening to users' reactions, and have been fixing the UI accordingly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:17 PM] <grippi> stwf_: yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:22 PM] <stwf_> Pin to recall or keep track of stuff whether I like it or not!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:24 PM] <grippi> thats why we separated them into follow / like
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> pin => follow right now, we need to have an Icon for it, so we can show who is following the conversation.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:42 PM] <dns|CostaRica> which is different then who has liked.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:26:47 PM] <stwf_> 'Like' is a bad description, the correct idea is more like, 'I'm with you'
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:09 PM] <stwf_> as in liking a pictorial of WHitney Houstons funeral, etc
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:20 PM] <dns|CostaRica> agreed, but this is a really long conversation to have.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:20 PM] <msalzberg> I'm with you whitney
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:22 PM] <msalzberg> im with you
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:31 PM] <dns|CostaRica> too bad about the wasps..
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:37 PM] <msalzberg> yeah man what a way to go
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:42 PM] <msalzberg> OK
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:44 PM] <dns|CostaRica> wasps got her...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:27:50 PM] <msalzberg> but we did learn a bunch of things
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:05 PM] <msalzberg> 1. we need to focus on our tools to help people create stuff inside diaspora
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:20 PM] <msalzberg> 2. simplifying the current interface is a good thing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:27 PM] <dns|CostaRica> (moar better publisher)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:47 PM] <msalzberg> 3. we need to keep pushing the sense of ownership, both in the design, and backend technology
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:58 PM] <darkham> mobile app. definitely.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:28:59 PM] <dns|CostaRica> not just a sense of
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:15 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:16 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but conveying a sense of ownership will reinforce the literal data ownership.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:23 PM] <msalzberg> dns|CostaRica:++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:25 PM] <grippi> yeah, so we've had some learnings, and some realizations
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:27 PM] <dns|CostaRica> wihc is what we wanna move towards :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:38 PM] <grippi> with the current "redesign" stuff, we were pixel pushing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:38 PM] <msalzberg> so next steps, roughly for us
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:51 PM] <msalzberg> 1. as dennis said, improving publishing tools
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:29:56 PM] <grippi> moving forward, we need to emphasize our core differentiators
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:30:09 PM] <grippi> which is data ownership (via decentralization, etc)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:30:18 PM] <grippi> and playing up self expression
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:30:33 PM] <Kevin_> ^
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:30:46 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I would prefer "enabling" to playing up, but well said
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:30:57 PM] <Kevin_> I think self-expression is extremely limited on Diaspora so far
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:02 PM] <grippi> we ultimately want to turn diaspora into something that allows oneself to be expressive, on their own "turf"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:06 PM] <grippi> Kevin_: exactly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:15 PM] <dns|CostaRica> enabling self expression with personal data ownership and privacy OMG
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:15 PM] <grippi> that's what we are aiming to tackle in the near future
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:24 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Our own home on the web, so to speak.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:28 PM] <str4ngerZ> dns|CostaRica: ++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:36 PM] <dns|CostaRica> grippi ++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:39 PM] <grippi> these are things that we can aggressively tackle
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:31:47 PM] <grippi> and they are core attributes that we have that the "others" don't
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:26 PM] <grippi> so it's going to be our goal to make not an alternative, but something fundamentally different than the big guys
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:33 PM] <grippi> that's how we're going to win
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:34 PM] <str4ngerZ> i'd like to have federation-stability tackle'd first
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:41 PM] <grippi> exactly str4ngerZ
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:45 PM] <DeadSuperHero> That's a pretty high priority for us.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:32:53 PM] <grippi> so to give you guys a heads up on the roadmap
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:00 PM] <grippi> it's getting federation nailed down
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:09 PM] <grippi> then making installation super dumb and easy
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:17 PM] <grippi> then making it easy to customize
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:20 PM] <grippi> pretty simple
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:30 PM] <necromancer> grippi: i absolutely agree with <grippi> so it's going to be our goal to make not an alternative, but something fundamentally different than the big guys
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:38 PM] <grippi> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:40 PM] <dns|CostaRica> str4ngerZ federation is one of our top goals
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:40 PM] <stwf_> what forms of customization do you mean? themes? or features etc
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:43 PM] <grippi> that's how we're gonna CRUSH THE SCENE
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:51 PM] <str4ngerZ> grippi: installation superdump & easy VS rails+rvm? 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:52 PM] <necromancer> i have a start on the installer if anyone's interested
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:33:57 PM] <grippi> stwf_: we've been kicking around some ideas internally
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:01 PM] <dns|CostaRica> msalzberg did some awesome work last week to make federation easier to test
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:03 PM] <necromancer> i think we should make it a self-executing Thor script in a bianry
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:05 PM] <necromancer> binary*
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:14 PM] <necromancer> i've made a few of these in the past month and they're super effective for controlling your app
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:18 PM] <grippi> we want to gather our grumblings and mumblings a bit more before we present our proposal to everyone
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:29 PM] <msalzberg> yeah, in terms of easier install, until federation gets revamped
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:29 PM] <str4ngerZ> dns|CostaRica: i'm in for creating a federation-testsuite
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:32 PM] <stwf_> it sounds great I'm glad you're approaching htis from a clean slate
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:37 PM] <grippi> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:38 PM] <msalzberg> i don't think we really want 'end users' to install diaspora
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:43 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and now we're trying to take down the barrier to entry to running your own pod
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:45 PM] <msalzberg> we want to target to be easy to install for developers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:34:53 PM] <msalzberg> but once we get those things nailed down
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:00 PM] <msalzberg> then we want to focus on end user installations
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:12 PM] <dns|CostaRica> of a higher priority right now than installation, is reducing the burden on the server
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:33 PM] <dns|CostaRica> str4ngerZ lets talk more off line, federation is going through some big changes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:34 PM] <grippi> dns|CostaRica: & a more reliable federation architecture
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:37 PM] <grippi> (kfed)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:51 PM] <stwf_> so these ideas are to be done pre-beta?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:53 PM] <Kevin_> Small question that probably asks for a big answer: how do you see small pods work properly with hashtags?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:35:59 PM] <dns|CostaRica> yeah, I'm "spiking" on a new federation architecture this week in costa rica
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:09 PM] <grippi> Kevin_: right now, no
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:15 PM] <dns|CostaRica> a spike is when you go off, and build an experimental version of something as a proof of concept
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> it's not intended to be released to the world directly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:32 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but to prove the concept
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:37 PM] <grippi> Kevin_: hashtags are a feature that the big guys have
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:37 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so we can build a better version
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:46 PM] <grippi> it's a cliche thing that has helped us
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:36:53 PM] <grippi> but it's not going to make people use diaspora
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:07 PM] <grippi> a hashtag search on twitter is most likely always going to trump one on diaspora
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:11 PM] <grippi> and that's just the way it's going to be
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:18 PM] <Kevin_> Yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:22 PM] <grippi> and that's why we're attacking things from a different angle
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:28 PM] <grippi> because we can't beat the big guys at their own game
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:33 PM] <grippi> we need to reinvent the game
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:37 PM] <dns|CostaRica> in the future, when we have moar resources, we can maybe tackle indexing federated data in a privacy supported way
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:40 PM] <grippi> (sorry for being abstract)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:46 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but that is a hard problem
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:47 PM] <dns|CostaRica> that we don't currently have the resources for
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:37:59 PM] <dns|CostaRica> (its what googles original business model was)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:00 PM] <stwf_> I guess a problem is for someone setting up a solo or family pod seeing interesting posts
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:06 PM] <Kevin_> It's not abstract Grippi, I get it ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:22 PM] <grippi> stwf_: yeah, exactly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:33 PM] <msalzberg> stwf_: i do think kfed can solve some of these issues
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> stwf_ we want to give users ways of controlling their data, possibly without setting up their own servers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:44 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're examine setting up a master/slave pod type of thing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:46 PM] <msalzberg> there is decentralized federated infastructure
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:47 PM] <dangar4l> What about integration with identi.ca?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:49 PM] <grippi> as we see it, the main driver for someone to set up their own diaspora installation is more akin to why someone would set up their own wordpress installation
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:38:53 PM] <msalzberg> that a small pod could subscribe to a community hub
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:07 PM] <stwf_> most people will not be setting up servers for sure
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:08 PM] <msalzberg> dangar4l: we would accept a working pull request with tests
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:10 PM] <dns|CostaRica> as joindiaspora had to upgrade to 32 gigs of ram in the database, we want to look at ways of making it smaller
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:12 PM] <elb> grippi: that may be true, re: hashtag search on twitter, but it's veyr hard to "stumble" on anything without federated hashtags (or some form of federated search -> feed)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:20 PM] <grippi> elb: right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> other people use database sharing, which is essentially federation on the database level
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:40 PM] <dns|CostaRica> since diaspora supports federation as a first class concept
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:43 PM] <necromancer> i would like to see this project stick to questions like "how can we improve the D* platform?" rather than "how can we integrate D* into <x> platform?"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:50 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're looking at integrating it more deeply into our architecture
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:56 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:39:58 PM] <necromancer> i've seen way too much talk about <insert social network here> integration on the list...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:12 PM] <dns|CostaRica> necromancer we don't pay attention to those posts ;-)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:12 PM] <msalzberg> agreed, its not super high priority at the momenet
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:14 PM] <erchache2000> integration wiht identi.ca/statusnet will be great!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:24 PM] <dns|CostaRica> write it!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> do it well!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:31 PM] <msalzberg> why? you can do it with 50 million other things :P
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> talk to us about how you're planning on doing it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:40 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so we can make sure it fits in
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:50 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but we're aiming at being bigger than another social network
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:40:55 PM] <erchache2000> dns|CostaRica: how big are innodb database of joindiaspora?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:05 PM] <grippi> erchache2000: too big
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:05 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we want to make it really easy for users to own and control their databases
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:13 PM] <erchache2000> grippi: HOW big
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:18 PM] <dns|CostaRica> erchache2000: last week our indexes took up 30 gigs of ram
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:18 PM] <erchache2000> 3 gb
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:24 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we refactored the database
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:25 PM] <erchache2000> neeeeee
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:29 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and now we're running in 16 gigs
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:31 PM] <erchache2000> disk space!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:38 PM] <grippi> erchache2000: why?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:47 PM] <erchache2000> mysql eats so memory you put it
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:56 PM] <grippi> but why does it matter?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:41:57 PM] <msalzberg> its like 3-4gb gzipped
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:02 PM] <msalzberg> last time i checked
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:08 PM] <erchache2000> REAL data
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:11 PM] <dns|CostaRica> which I guess means like 8 or 9 ungzipped
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:13 PM] <sarahmei> Are you posting transcripts of this later, because I can't keep up with you guys
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:16 PM] <erchache2000> without compression
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:23 PM] <erchache2000> yeah dns|CostaRica 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:28 PM] <DeadSuperHero> sarahmei, yep. :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:30 PM] <grippi> a new federation system is not about minimizing disk space in mysql as much as actually writing an efficient one
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:38 PM] <msalzberg> but like maybe 70% is the permissions data
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:43 PM] <msalzberg> which is just a giant join table
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:42:53 PM] <dangar4l> Be integrated with other social networks free. Excuse my English, I am using a translator.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:04 PM] <erchache2000> msalzberg: a bad definition of relational tables?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:20 PM] <msalzberg> ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:34 PM] <grippi> let's not concern ourselves with how large or small our database is right now
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:38 PM] <grippi> this isn't constructive
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:43 PM] <msalzberg> yeah grippi 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:43 PM] <erchache2000> yeah right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:47 PM] <msalzberg> i wanna talk aobut
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:48 PM] <erchache2000> :-D
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:43:55 PM] <msalzberg> the federation testing script i wrote this week
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:01 PM] <grippi> woo
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:15 PM] <msalzberg> and how if you have an hour or two, you can give us good logs of both sides of federation for your bug reports or whatnot
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:28 PM] <msalzberg> which is really important, because bug reports like 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:29 PM] <dns|CostaRica> its not something we keep track of
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> because disk space is cheap
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but how much memory the db needs to run is not
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> two weeks ago that number was 32 gb
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> now it's 17gb (yay refactoring, thanks msalzberg grippi and sarahmei!)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but still 17gb is too much
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we *could* implement sharing on the db level
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but that would increase complexity in the code
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:31 PM] <dns|CostaRica> a lot
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:31 PM] <dns|CostaRica> since we already have federation
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:32 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we are looking at ways of having master/slave pods
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:32 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so joindiaspora can be made up of slave pods
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:33 PM] <dns|CostaRica> (a fact which the users shouldn't ever have to be aware of)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:35 PM] <msalzberg> oops
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:40 PM] <msalzberg> dns|CostaRica: is is costa rica
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:44 PM] <msalzberg> and his internet sucks
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:55 PM] <dns|CostaRica> yup
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:44:58 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:10 PM] <zikalify> ah damn, forgot this was on :P
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:12 PM] <msalzberg> so basically, did everyone see my email?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:18 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so we want to make federation not suck
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:20 PM] <grippi> zikalify: sup paul?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:20 PM] <duck1123> so multiple slave pods would work together to serve the same domain?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:33 PM] <msalzberg> ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:34 PM] <dns|CostaRica> duck1123: maybe
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:37 PM] <grippi> duck1123: bingo
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:43 PM] <dns|CostaRica> its an idea we want to experiment with
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:51 PM] <msalzberg> ok so i fyou have diaspora running on your home devbox
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:45:54 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if we can have federation within a "pod"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:02 PM] <dns|CostaRica> that means federation will have to be awesome
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:04 PM] <duck1123> at the end of the day, isn't that still essentially sharding?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:10 PM] <str4ngerZ> msalzberg: what about your testscript? src?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:11 PM] <msalzberg> my script makes two dbs, and starts two servers, two redis, and two workers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:20 PM] <duck1123> I guess not
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:25 PM] <dns|CostaRica> duck1123: we don't want to shard on the db level, it will increase code complexity and only benefit big pods
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:26 PM] <msalzberg> str4ngerZ: its just a manual process right now
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:28 PM] <grippi> msalzberg: how much ram does that take (ballpark?)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:34 PM] <msalzberg> but we could start it from a cucumber level or soethign
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:39 PM] <msalzberg> grippi: a crapload
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:45 PM] <msalzberg> simplest thing that works
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:53 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if we make it so that a pod works for a certain number of users, and their data can be moved around easily when a pod gets over worked
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:59 PM] <grippi> lemme start it on my box so we can get a ballpark number
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:46:59 PM] <msalzberg> its by no means pretty, but now it is at least easy enough to set up
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:03 PM] <grippi> what's the command to run it?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:05 PM] <dns|CostaRica> federation and personal data ownership will benefit
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:07 PM] <msalzberg> and then send messages between them
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:27 PM] <grippi> 8gb of ram + ssd = the terminator
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:50 PM] <msalzberg> http://groups.google.com/group/diaspora-dev/browse_thread/thread/a0777f10ba900272
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:59 PM] <grippi> thx
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:47:59 PM] <msalzberg> grippi:^
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:48:06 PM] <erchache2000> I have a mysql server with 8 gb ram and send data to 60000 diary users without problems 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:48:10 PM] <grippi> internet here is really slow & i can't exactly search for things
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:48:57 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I keep wanting to rip my clothes off and jump into the pool, but then I realize that my family is here and they'd be freaked out. totally prude.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:02 PM] <erchache2000> Should i see my.cnf file of joindiaspora mysql server?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:07 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I wish I were in costa rica with californians...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:16 PM] <dns|CostaRica> erchache2000 ec2
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:26 PM] <grippi> erchache2000: we're using amazon RDS
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:30 PM] <erchache2000> isnt problem
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:36 PM] <erchache2000> and you use mysql inside?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:42 PM] <grippi> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:47 PM] <grippi> amazon configures mysql for you
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:48 PM] <dns|CostaRica> other pods use postgres
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:49 PM] <grippi> with RDS
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:49:58 PM] <dns|CostaRica> which means we can't do db specific optimizations
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:05 PM] <duck1123> RDS acts like mysql
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:18 PM] <erchache2000> http://tools.percona.com/ see that
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:34 PM] <erchache2000> you can make you own my.cnf
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> rds is mysql, it's a managed mysql box
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> lets not get sidetracked
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> what we're saying is
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:36 PM] <dns|CostaRica> there are problems with federation
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:39 PM] <erchache2000> its very usefull
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:46 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:49 PM] <msalzberg> so please
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:52 PM] <dns|CostaRica> plz stop talking about dbs kthnx
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:57 PM] <erchache2000> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:50:59 PM] <msalzberg> try to get the federation testing working
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:02 PM] <msalzberg> if you can
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:05 PM] <dns|CostaRica> there are problems with federation, we want to fix them
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:15 PM] <dns|CostaRica> this will have a bunch of benefits
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:17 PM] <msalzberg> and lets improve it to make it easier to generate bug reports with logs from both side of the transation
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:21 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and should reduce the burden of running a pod
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:29 PM] <msalzberg> please direct questions or pro tips to the list
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:47 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're also talking about changing our growth model to be more in line with federation
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:50 PM] <msalzberg> as i am hoping this really simple improvement could spur a whole set up people helping us test
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:51:51 PM] <dns|CostaRica> things are going to change in a big way
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:09 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:12 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we want to test it, and keep you guys with us through the process
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:14 PM] <msalzberg> any questions bout federation testing
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:32 PM] <msalzberg> ...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:32 PM] <msalzberg> ..
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:37 PM] <msalzberg> next
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:38 PM] <msalzberg> 4. Things we need help with:
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:40 PM] <raven24> so you are saying we should fire up the two test servers and go crazy, let stuff federate between them, then send you the logs
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:41 PM] <dns|CostaRica> backwards compatibility...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:50 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: not just for kicks
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:52:53 PM] <msalzberg> but if you want to figure out
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:01 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we are planning on changing the federation model
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:06 PM] <msalzberg> why are public fotos not federating?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:11 PM] <msalzberg> or something specific
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:24 PM] <msalzberg> or why is ignore user not ignoring remote people which have been ignored
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:28 PM] <msalzberg> stuff like that
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:34 PM] <raven24> understood
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:42 PM] <dangar4l> johpunk: escriba
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:42 PM] <msalzberg> its hard to tell on production machines
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:51 PM] <msalzberg> because the logs just fly by
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:53:58 PM] <grippi> msalzberg: booting federation testing in the meanwhile (fyi)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:00 PM] <dns|CostaRica> there are problems with federation, we *need* to fix them before alpha
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:02 PM] <dns|CostaRica> err beta
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:09 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:17 PM] <msalzberg> so this means its going to fundamentally change
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> backwards compatibility is not a major priority, so pods will have to upgrade to stay with us.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:32 PM] <grippi> which means all major forks will break
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:34 PM] <msalzberg> and since we are alpha(duh), we are not going to support the current federation ssytem
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:49 PM] <dns|CostaRica> the goal of this is to make having your own pod even easier
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:57 PM] <msalzberg> yeah so this doesn't mean its getting rolled out
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:54:59 PM] <msalzberg> tommorw
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:00 PM] <msalzberg> or next week
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:02 PM] <msalzberg> but soon
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:06 PM] <dns|CostaRica> after we announce beta, we won't be chaging things in such a major way.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:09 PM] <stwf_> sounds good, make sure the system you go with is rock solid, nothing else is important!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:10 PM] <msalzberg> just so people don't say "we had no idea!!!"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:16 PM] <msalzberg> dns|CostaRica++
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:19 PM] <str4ngerZ> it would be nice to have eraly information and docu / branches on the changes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:30 PM] <dns|CostaRica> str4ngerZ: thats what this is.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:45 PM] <msalzberg> we code it all in the open
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:50 PM] <msalzberg> so until it settles down
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:55:58 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're saying "we don't know, we're experimenting, as things are change we'll keep you up to date"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:56:54 PM] <johpunk> dangar4l: ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:08 PM] <dns|CostaRica> mai interwedbs suck :(
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:14 PM] <duck1123> Are the federation changes listed anywhere?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:22 PM] <dns|CostaRica> duck1123: they aren't done
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:26 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we're experimenting
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:34 PM] <dns|CostaRica> I'm in costa rica right now playing with some ideas
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:39 PM] <dns|CostaRica> "spiking"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:50 PM] <dns|CostaRica> spiking is when you test an idea in the smallest way possible
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:57:56 PM] <dns|CostaRica> maybe not the cleanest way
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:01 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but its about proving the concept
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:11 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and then heading back to master
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:15 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and starting over and doing it right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> after the concept is proved internally we will alert people of our plans
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:32 PM] <msalzberg> i guess general themes, dns|CostaRica 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:33 PM] <msalzberg> like
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:36 PM] <msalzberg> json based
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:46 PM] <duck1123> Ok, I'm the developer of a federated social application, an I only have basic integration with diaspora working thus far. Want to make sure I stay as compatible as possible
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:52 PM] <raven24> I'd love to see federation explained like sarah did on the devblog with webfinger, when it's finished :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:52 PM] <msalzberg> relying more heavily on the client
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:58:52 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: absolutely
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:02 PM] <msalzberg> how it is going to work is evolving
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:14 PM] <dns|CostaRica> right now a pod has to keep track of every communication it is aware of
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:19 PM] <msalzberg> duck1123: cool!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:23 PM] <str4ngerZ> i'd like to get to know if **before** it's officially invented
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> which means jd/diasp.org esssentially have copies of each others datasets
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:57 PM] <necromancer> msalzberg: our eventual goal is to make the Rails app essentially be an API for the browser-side JS client to talk to
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:58 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we want to change that, to make it so that jd asks diap.org for what it needs to know more often
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [01:59:58 PM] <str4ngerZ> s/if/it/
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:01 PM] <necromancer> right?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:05 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and doesn't try to persist that.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:13 PM] <dns|CostaRica> or maybe chaches it temporarily
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:16 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: we are already mostly there
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:19 PM] <msalzberg> with the backbone stuff
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:20 PM] <necromancer> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:32 PM] <msalzberg> for the most part, most of the stuff is a js client talking to a server that emits json
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:37 PM] <dns|CostaRica> but your own pod stays the canonical source of your data
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:56 PM] <dns|CostaRica> which means more ownership of your data
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:56 PM] <necromancer> right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:00:56 PM] <raven24> would that also solve the "history problem" of a pod not getting any data, when it's down?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:01:00 PM] <dns|CostaRica> our current federation system has major personal data ownership problems
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:01:04 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:01:07 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we we want to bring these things in line
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:01:35 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so instead of every pod storing everything
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:01:50 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we want to have it be more of a system of asking for what you need to know more often.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:02:11 PM] <dns|CostaRica> this will make it so users have more control. which is a good thing.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:02:55 PM] <dns|CostaRica> .....
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:02:57 PM] <duck1123> so this interface would be made available to end users as well?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:02:57 PM] <dns|CostaRica> SO...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:02:57 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:09 PM] <msalzberg> what do you mean?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:24 PM] <msalzberg> i want to keep moving
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:27 PM] <msalzberg> as we are going to go over
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:29 PM] <dns|CostaRica> duck1123 it will be open.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:32 PM] <necromancer> duck1123: yes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:38 PM] <msalzberg> other things that we need help with
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:38 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:38 PM] <necromancer> the short answer :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:41 PM] <msalzberg> the wiki is crazy sauce right now
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:43 PM] <duck1123> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:43 PM] <dns|CostaRica> we need help with the wiki!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:44 PM] <msalzberg> there is lots of stuff
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:47 PM] <msalzberg> we need to delete honestly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:49 PM] <dns|CostaRica> our wiki is tragically out of data
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:50 PM] <msalzberg> its usefull
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:56 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and has too much
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:03:59 PM] <msalzberg> but it needs to be more straightforward
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:04 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if you see a bad page in the wiki, kill it.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:07 PM] <msalzberg> and geared more towards developers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:14 PM] <dns|CostaRica> if you see old info, remove it.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:15 PM] <msalzberg> getting it running
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:17 PM] <grippi> let's make a wiki (seriously) identifying the strengths and weaknesses of our wikis
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:22 PM] <grippi> so we can cut out the excess
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:27 PM] <msalzberg> o.0
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:30 PM] <grippi> and provide devs with the stuff they want
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:33 PM] <dns|CostaRica> the smaller the wiki is, the less maintenance we'll have to do, the more we can stay on top of it, the more true it will be
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:37 PM] <necromancer> grippi: how about we create a to-do list instead?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:47 PM] <dns|CostaRica> it has swelled to a place where it is full of information that is no longer true.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:48 PM] <msalzberg> can't we just make a page
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:49 PM] <grippi> necromancer: how about yes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:56 PM] <msalzberg> no new services!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:57 PM] <grippi> i'm open to whatever
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:04:59 PM] <duck1123> grippi: but that page itself would likely not make the cut
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:04 PM] <msalzberg> :P
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:08 PM] <grippi> as long as it involves identifying dev wants and needs
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:11 PM] <necromancer> lol
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:17 PM] <dns|CostaRica> a todo list page on the wiki ;-)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:20 PM] <msalzberg> yeah its not the place for feature requests
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:24 PM] <msalzberg> from users
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:28 PM] <necromancer> ahh never mind guys i thought tadalist.com was collaborative
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:33 PM] <msalzberg> but feature requests from developers
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:51 PM] <necromancer> "feature requests from developers" should never happen. if you're a developer, fucking code the feature and submit a pull req
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:05:53 PM] <msalzberg> we need to come up with an outline for it all
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:06 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: in a perfect world, yes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:06 PM] <dns|CostaRica> github needs to be more about making it so diaspora developers can work efficiently
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:18 PM] <dns|CostaRica> github is for developers.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:22 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:29 PM] <msalzberg> ok so also
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:31 PM] <msalzberg> i was wondering
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:36 PM] <dns|CostaRica> yes!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:37 PM] <msalzberg> can a newbie developer
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:43 PM] <msalzberg> make a vid or detailed blog post
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:46 PM] <grippi> heads up: i'm switching to tethering... brb linux
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:49 PM] <msalzberg> on how to submit a bug?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:06:54 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: maybe?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:04 PM] <msalzberg> it would be cool to have a guide from a contributor
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:06 PM] <msalzberg> outlining the process
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:09 PM] <msalzberg> or even like
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:11 PM] <msalzberg> a vid on
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:17 PM] <msalzberg> "how to write a jasmine test"
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:25 PM] <msalzberg> or something of that nature?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:32 PM] <msalzberg> raven24? stwf_? diasp ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:07:39 PM] <raven24> ok I see where this is going
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:09 PM] <msalzberg> you say that so ominously :P
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:13 PM] <raven24> might be able to do a little bit in febuary 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:23 PM] <msalzberg> it is feburary!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:23 PM] <necromancer> i'd like to volunteer to clean up the wiki
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:24 PM] <raven24> in march my semester starts again...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:33 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: ah i see
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:37 PM] <msalzberg> necromancer: that would be awesome
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:39 PM] <dns|CostaRica> necromancer: great thanks!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:41 PM] <dns|CostaRica> enlist help!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:56 PM] <msalzberg> it just needs to be much leaner and meaner
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:56 PM] <msalzberg> we should brainstorm a general outline
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:08:58 PM] <msalzberg> and then go from there
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:03 PM] <necromancer> right
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:04 PM] <raven24> do you know the railscast vids?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:07 PM] <raven24> like those?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:09 PM] <msalzberg> raven24: yessir
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:15 PM] <msalzberg> they don't even have to be as fancy
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:17 PM] <str4ngerZ> before leaner and meaner it should be correct and complete
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:18 PM] <msalzberg> but they are a good start
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:35 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:50 PM] <dns|CostaRica> raven24 thanks for all your work reaching out to n00bs, it's really helping
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:09:52 PM] <msalzberg> i also do want to focus on perhaps only having detailed instructions on the wiki for certain platforms
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:03 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and a major shoutout to rekado for that as well
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:13 PM] <dns|CostaRica> it's really necessary to have people doing that in the community.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:16 PM] <dns|CostaRica> so thank you.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:18 PM] <msalzberg> id rather support a couple of things really well than have instructions for 500 different setups
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:30 PM] <raven24> I once was a noob, too ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:44 PM] <msalzberg> something like osx, ubuntu and vagrant/virtualbox
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:50 PM] <str4ngerZ> you cannot copy&paste from a video
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:51 PM] <msalzberg> then people could publish other guides elsewhere
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:10:52 PM] <raven24> so I know how good it feels getting helped
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:03 PM] <msalzberg> str4ngerZ: well we can do an ascii cast too
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:32 PM] <dns|CostaRica> telling windows people they have to run it in vagrant would remove a bunch of concerns… :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:36 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:42 PM] <str4ngerZ> videso would be great for beginners to explain the interface and options
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:45 PM] <msalzberg> i would be down only supporting 3 configurations for now
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:11:49 PM] <raven24> transcribing the commands used in a video is not the great problem
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:03 PM] <msalzberg> again, i want to focus on developer resources right now
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:17 PM] <dns|CostaRica> and enabling developers to be effective
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:20 PM] <msalzberg> when we are beta, we can focus on our friendliness in setup
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:21 PM] <msalzberg> yeah
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:27 PM] <msalzberg> re: users
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:50 PM] <msalzberg> ok
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:12:59 PM] <msalzberg> so thats basically it, does anyone have any questions?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:00 PM] <dns|CostaRica> ok :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:28 PM] <msalzberg> ...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:33 PM] <str4ngerZ> yeah: what resources
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:34 PM] <msalzberg> can someone post this transcript on the wiki?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:39 PM] <DeadSuperHero> I'll do it.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:41 PM] <msalzberg> thx
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:44 PM] <msalzberg> str4ngerZ: ?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:47 PM] <str4ngerZ> to use when one want to stay updated 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:13:57 PM] <str4ngerZ> with the latest development?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:06 PM] <msalzberg> i would follow the project on github
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:08 PM] <str4ngerZ> msalzberg: wanted to break your ... .. .
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:15 PM] <msalzberg> subscribe to our devblog
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:19 PM] <msalzberg> its all good!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:22 PM] <necromancer> also the diaspora-dev email list
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:27 PM] <msalzberg> bam! yes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:37 PM] <msalzberg> also, come hang out on diaspora-dev
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:14:53 PM] <msalzberg> the pushes come into the room via bot
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:02 PM] <msalzberg> and we get a decent bit of banter around interesting ones
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:03 PM] <grippi> sry... iPhone tethering doesn't allow irc for some reason
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:12 PM] <str4ngerZ> dont use mucho google ;-)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:24 PM] <dns|CostaRica> any other questions?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:46 PM] <raven24> noe
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:15:49 PM] <raven24> *one
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:09 PM] <raven24> will this IRC session be weekly/monthly/otherly
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:09 PM] <grippi> i gotta jet
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:15 PM] <grippi> pleasure talking with all of you
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:18 PM] <msalzberg> we are shooting
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:22 PM] <grippi> see on you on the interwebs!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:22 PM] <msalzberg> for every 2 weeks
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:23 PM] <grippi> ciao
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:26 PM] <msalzberg> so every other thursday
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:43 PM] <raven24> ok great!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:47 PM] <DeadSuperHero> We'll always announce it ahead of time.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:54 PM] <msalzberg> promise
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:16:57 PM] <msalzberg> we had a great turnout too
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:01 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Yeah totally.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:04 PM] <dns|CostaRica> DeadSuperHero: burden's on you ;-p
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:04 PM] <msalzberg> although so many of you are LURKERS
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:09 PM] <jaywink> a good idea this. have been silent but following :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:12 PM] <msalzberg> DAMN U LURKERS
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:12 PM] <dns|CostaRica> hella Lurkey
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:14 PM] <DeadSuperHero> dns|CostaRica, I knoes.
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:23 PM] <duck1123> this is the first one I've shown up to
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:17:28 PM] <dns|CostaRica> blessings to the LURKERS
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:09 PM] <msalzberg> ok time for me to go code awesome shit
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:17 PM] <msalzberg> ill talk to all you lovelies l8r
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:22 PM] <sonst-wafk> Good luck ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:25 PM] <DeadSuperHero> Good meeting, everybody. :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:28 PM] <raven24> <3 
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:29 PM] <msalzberg> dns|CostaRica: catch a tropical fish in your mouth for me
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:38 PM] <jaywink> thanks guys :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:18:46 PM] <msalzberg> PEACE
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:19:38 PM] <dns|CostaRica> <3333
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:29:28 PM] <darkham> it's over?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:29:38 PM] <donnerkarlson> yes
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:29:57 PM] <darkham> oh..
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:30:10 PM] <donnerkarlson> i was also too late
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:30:15 PM] <darkham> what about promotion, and mobile platform support?
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:30:23 PM] <darkham> ok :)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:30:47 PM] <sonst-wafk> I dont know everything, but the log will be avaible in the wiki...
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:30:54 PM] <sonst-wafk> where ever "the wiki" is ;)
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:31:13 PM] <donnerkarlson> i have to read through
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:31:45 PM] <donnerkarlson> had my client listening
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:35:43 PM] <stwf_> Hi had to do work, sorry!
[Thursday, February 16, 2012] [02:43:40 PM] <herpaderpaderp> Crap, I missed it. Does anyone have a transcript?